Craig Stitt Interview
Many thanks to ICEKnight for conducting this interview and asking well written and sensible questions.
Re: Our Sonic question list
Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:30:57 -0800
From Craig Stitt
I kind of feel like I am walking into a minefield if I answer these questions,
but I guess I'll take the chance.
As far as people believing whether or not I am the 'real' Craig Stitt,
that's their problem. If they want they can pull up my bio on the Insomniac
One of the biggest problems you are going to have, as I am sure you are
already aware, is the fact that the vast majority of the team that did
Sonic 2 was Japanese, and are most likily all back in Japan. And for Sonic
3, the entire team was Japanese. (Naka didn't want to have any Americans
on the team, and Naka gets what Naka wants)
As to my role on Sonic 2; I was not a level designer, but a level artist.
There is a big difference. I never drew any maps or designed any levels.
(although I occationally tossed some ideas in the pot which creating the
My primary job on Sonic 2 was simply to 'paint' art (one pixel at a time!)
that would bring the maps to life. Yasahara (Spelling!?!?) was the primary
designer on Sonic 1-3 (and he was the real magic behind the game and a
really nice guy)
I had nothing to do with Sonic 3, and after that I don't know much of
anything since I was working on other projects and shortly thereafter
left to join Insomniac.
> Before working at SEGA, did you help in the
> development of any other videogame? Once in SEGA, were Sonic 2 and
Sonic Spinball the first and last games you worked in?
My first job in the game industry was with Sega (Sega Technical Institute).
I had been doing computer graphics for a couple of years when I litterally
answered an add in the newspaper that read, "Wanted: Videogame designers
and artists, no experience necessary". (every guys dream. I still have
My first game was Kid Chameleon. I also worked on some other games, Dark
Empires, Jester, Astropede, and others that never saw the light of day.
There were a lot of projects at Sega that had unhappy endings. Some of
these would have been great games if the had ever been completed. (Especially
Jester and Astropede) I also did a little
work on ComicZone and The Ooze.
> How did you get involved in the making of Sonic 2? Were you already
in the team when they begun to make
> the game?
To be totally honest, I was in the right place at the right time. Naka
(the head programmer) had quit in Japan, but he was friends with Mark
Cerny (who started and ran STI). Mark talked Naka into coming to STI.
At the same time, but before anyone knew how huge Sonic would be, Yasahara
had signed-up to come work in the US. By the time Sonic went ballistic,
STI had the two people most responsible for it's success, so STI got to
do Sonic 2. Since I was already at STI I got the chance to work on the
project from the start (of Sonic 2)
> Can you explain us a what was your role as a 'Zone
I would be given a paper map and some suggestions as to what the theme
of the level was like. I would then rough out some ideas and show them
around. When I had something that eveyone liked I would start making all
the little pieces of art that could then be put togther to make the level.
Once this base art was done (a couple hundred tiles) I would then sit
down and carefully place the art in the actual game. This part was sometimes
fun, sometimes tedious. (as was drawing the art since most of it was done
pixel by pixel)
Sega had it's own proprietary art-development stations that were used
to paint and animate everything in the game. The were called "Digitizers"
although you didn't really digitize anything with them, it was all by
> Were you asked to make a certain type of stages? If
> not, can you remember any idea you had for stages that
> were never made?
I can remember working up some ideas for a circus level, with big clown
heads and a rollercoaster. I know that there were other ideas, but that
was a long time ago and a lot of levels have gone through this head in
> Did you work for any Sonic game that was never
> released? (maybe 'Sonic MARS/Sonic Crackers' or 'Sonic
> X-treme'?) What can you tell us about those games?
Sonic 2 and Sonic Spinball were the only Sonics I had anything to do with.
I worked with the guys that were supposed to do Sonic Mars, but I was
busy working on a project of my own at the point.
> How was the treatment when you was working with the
> Sonic Team?
My only complaint was that if art had to get cut out it always seemed
to be the American's on the team whos art got cut. Sometimes this was
because the art wasn't working, but on other occations, I don't believe
this was the case. (such as with Hidden Palace, although I never was happy
with the far background)
I said before that the reason that Hidden Palace got cut from the game,
just before release (no one told me) was that they had run out of room.
This is what I was told.
However, even if that was one of the reason, I also believe it got cut,
as the individual in your chat room pointed out, because the gameplay
was never completed. It was supposed to be a *secret* level, but I guess
they kept putting it off till it was too late.
> What was the reason of leaving SEGA?
My first major game after Sonic 2 was a game called Astropede. This was
a game that I had designed from concept on. Unfortunately after about
14 months, and a LOT of frustration, the game was put "on hold". The game
was a solid game and most likely would have done well, if it had been
Astropede was the only reason I stayed at Sega as long as I did. There
were some issues with managment that made it very difficult to work. Once
Astropede bit it, I started looking around.
> Now you're at Insomniac, what's your role in the
> making of the games? Is it very different than being
> at SEGA?
Insomniac is TOTALLY different from the way Sega was when I was there.
The managment here at Insomniac is the best that you can hope to find.
Ted Price, the President, still works making art, and story, and gamedesign,
so he really knows what's going on and he knows how to treat his people.
I started at Insomniac back when there were just 4 of us. My job then
was primarily modeling the 3D enviromnets and painting the textures for
the worlds. (Luckily by this point were were using Photoshop, no more
pixel by pixel) I also designed most of the enemies for Disruptor.
At the end of Disruptor everyone went into their corners and started working
on an idea for what we would be doing next. I had always wanted to make
a game where you get to play AS a dragon, as opposed to fighting the dragon.
After a lot of input from the rest of the team and our producers, my rough
idea is what came to be Spyro.
> Which games have you developed at Insomniac?
I have been with Insomniac since almost the start of the company (I think
they were around about 6 months before I joined), so I have worked on
everything that Insomniac has done. (Disruptor, Spyro 1,2,3)
> What are your plans for the future? Are you going to
> release games for the DreamCast? (there's a lot of
> people including me that can't buy a PlayStation 2 for
> obvious reasons..).
> GameBoy Advance seems to be a very powerful system
> for 2D games. Have you thought about making a Spyro
> game for the GBA? You could include your Hidden Palace
> if SEGA doesn't own the rights of that never released
Unfortunately I can't talk at all about what Insomniac is or will be working
on. I can say that for the forseeable future we will be working solely
However, Havas, who will be doing Spyro from this point forward, does
have releases planned for several differnet systems.
> *THE MAKING OF SONIC 2
> What did Mark Cerny do as the producer of the games?
Mark oversaw all the maps, and general game play. He also help keep the
focus of the game on target as well as funtion as an art director.
> Can you tell us what's exactly the SEGA Technical
> Institute and how was it related to the Sonic Team?
STI was the first internal development group Sega opened in the US. The
whole concept was Marks idea. He wanted to have Japanese employees come
over for extended periods and help teach how they make their games. This
is why he placed the add that said, "no expericence necessary". Mark wanted
to train up people in his way and the Japanese way of making games.
As I said before, STI ended up with Naka because Mark anda Naka where
friends and we got Yasahara becasue it was his turn to come to the US.
That's how the Sonic Team ended up in the US for a couple of games.
> Do you remember if Sonic Team wanted to add to Sonic
> 2 some situations they couldn't make in the final
> Sonic 1?
It's been too long ago. Plus most of the design meeting were held in Japanese!
(Mark speaks fluent Japanese)
> Was Tails designed when the game was already being
> programmed? What was his original role in the game?
One of the things that it was felt was needed in Sonic 2 was a new character
and the possibility to play as a two player game. (okay a "player and
I submitted a little rocket powered turtle named Boomer, but a very talented
artist named Yamaguchi (Spelling!?!?) did up this little two tailed fox
that everyone loved.
Yamaguchi REALLY wanted the fox to be named Miles, but the battle was
lost and he was named Tails. (although Yamaguchi managed to sneak the
name 'Miles' into a LOT of the art in Sonci 2!!)
> Was he going to be the guardian of the Master Emerald
> in the Hidden Palace?
I have no idea what the Master Emerald is. If you are refering to the
large emerald in the screen shots, that was simply a 'block' that you
had to break inorder to gain access to the tubes beneath. There may have
been other things planned for that emerald, but it's been too long)
> When Tails is selected as the main character, he
> can't fly like he does to reach Sonic. Do you remember
> if his ability was removed because of some kind of
> bug, or it was never implemented?
I don't remember for sure, but I am pretty sure his abilities were changed
for game play reasons.
> Was SuperSonic supposed to appear since the game was
> originally planned? What kind of abilities was he
> going to have originally? Was he just another 'power
> up' in the monitors or was he going to appear when all
> the Chaos Emeralds were collected, like in the final
I don't remember. Like I said, I had little to do with the game design,
and spoke almost no Japanese.
> He looks like the 'Super Saiya' transformation of Son
> Goku in the 'Dragon Ball Z' anime. Do you know if
> somebody in the Sonic Team was a big fan of Akira
> Were Knuckles, Amy or any other Sonic character going
> to be in Sonic 2 originally? Was there any important
> character that was never included in the Sonic games?
Knuckles was designed specifically for Sonic 3. I don't remember any other
characters, although I am sure there are many who either never made if
off the drawing board, or who didn't make schedual.
> What kind of computers and specific programs were
> used in the development of Sonic 2?
I already talked about the Digtizers. They were BIG white boxes with black
fronts. They used 31/4 discs and had a tendency to eat artwork. (We finally
discovered that you couldn't have the number '6' as the first character
in your file name)
> We know that the Sonic 2 levels are made of smaller
> parts (of 128x128 pixels). Were those parts designed
> before the whole level was completely drawn, or were
> the level maps designed first?
Actually, the most basic component in the art was a 16x16 pixel block.
An artist had a certain amount of unique 16x16s to make a limited set
of unique 128x128s. You got very good at making samll elements that could
be used upside-down and mirrored (flipped and flopped) since you got those
There were also very strick palette restrictions. You could only have
64 colors on screen at any given instant. Of course the programmers and
artists found lots of fun little tricks that gave you the illusion of
far more colors.
Much of the basic concept art and rough ideas could be done before you
had a finialized map. You could even create much of the 16x16s, but the
final 128's were usually not done until you had a nearly final map. (I
have found that maps are NEVER final until the game is sitting on the
> Do you remember anything that couldn't be implemented
> because of bugs in the engine?
Too long ago
> Do you know which were the first stages in
> development? Can you give us some possible names for
I know that Hidden Palace was one of the first pieces of art I did for
Sonci 2. (which is why it bothers me so much that it got cut)
I can remember a variation on the Atlantas theme that got as far as a
map and some rough art, but that's all I can remember (Mark Cerny designed
> Did the game with the original stages have a
> storyline, like Sonic 3? I mean, maybe there would be
> a connection between some stages, like when (near the
> end of the game) Sonic finishes Wing Fortress and uses
> Robotnik's ship to help him reach the Death Egg.
> Were all of the final stages already planned before
> they started programming the game? Which stages were
> the last ones to be implemented?
> Which stage was originally going to be the first one
> in the game? And the last one? Was the original final
> boss different than that one in the official release?
> Were all the stages originally supposed to have 2
> acts? Is there a special reason for making 3 acts in
> Metropolis Zone?
> In Sonic 2 (final release) there are two stages (Wing
> Fortress and Death Egg) that only have one act. Were
> the second acts cutted because of the memory
I am sorry to say I don't have any answers for these questions. (been
too long and I don't speak Japanese)
> Do you remember anything that couldn't be implemented
> in the game because of the arrival of the Sonic 2
> release date?
Yeah, Hidden Palace! There were also two other levels done by America
artists that got cut somewhere along the line. One was a desert level,
(done by Brenda Ross) and there was another by Tom Paine, but I can't
remember what it was. Tom ended up doing some levels in Spinball.
> The Master System/Game Gear version was released
> after the MegaDrive one, but do you know if they were
> programmed at the same time? Were the 8 and 16 bit
> versions going to have the same stages when they were
> first planned? That could mean the 8 bit version has
> some of the zones of the MegaDrive Sonic 2 'Alpha
> build'. Do you know anything about that? Could the
> UnderGround Zone and other 8-bit stages be originally
> planned for the MegaDrive too?
The MegaDrive/Genesis versions and the Master System/Game Gear versions
were done by totally different teams with very little interaction between
the two. (at least as far as I could tell)
I know on the Game Gear version of Spinball, a different group all together
did it and never even asked for art for the game. (Im sure they could
just pull it of the cart if they needed it)
> Do you remember if any stage in the MegaDrive version
> was going to have minecarts? The Mystic Cave has some
> rails for them and, in the 8 bit game, the UnderGround
> Zone title card shows Sonic inside a minecart with a
> ground very similar to the walls of a lost desert
I don't know
> We've noticed that when the SEGA logo appears in the
> final version, the game loads the 'Metal Sonic'
> graphics for a short time. Was he going to run over
> the SEGA letters instead of that big Sonic?
> In some of the early screens we saw in the magazines,
> Tails wasn't there, and the Sonic graphics looked more
> like those of Sonic 1. Those screenshots were the
> first place where we could see the Hidden Palace and a
> desert zone we never saw again.
Yamaguchi totally redrew Sonic for Sonic 2. Tails might not have been
there because he wasn't 'born' yet. As for the screen shots (such as the
ones you sent along) many of those were 'faked up' since the levels were
not running yet. I can remember making the ones for Hidden Palace. (and
it's been a real mind trip to see them again after all this time)
> The most strange thing about them is that Sonic was
> very off-centered in the screen, the counters weren't
> in italics and were a little moved. Also, the ring
> counter said '08', but in any Sonic game it should
> read just '8'. That made some of us think that it was
> only a screen made by a SEGA artist to show how the
> stages would look like when they were finished. Do you
> know if those screenshots were real? The place with
> the triceratops also looked a little different to the
> Hidden Palace we could see later.
> The background in that 'Alpha' screenshot of Hidden
> Palace seems to be hand made, and it looks more
> similar to the background of the Sonic 3 Hidden
You guys really need to get lives. You are correct, as I said most of
these screen shots are faked up. Usually this is not a problem, except
in cases like this where the levels get cut at the last minute.
> Did they tell you that they were going to add
> a different version of your stage in the next Sonic
I never heard anything about it one way or the other.
> About the desert zone, we've only seen that picture
> of it, and we think it looked nice. It's said they
> removed it because people wouldn't like it.. Is it
> true? Please, can you tell us anything you remember
> about that level? How was it like? How were the
> crocodilebots like? (we've only seen their head) How
> was that zone's boss?
> Do you remember what could be the name of that zone?
> We really want to know that...
> In that desert picture we could see the same robot
> wasps of the final Emerald Hill. Was there any other
> enemy porting between levels in the early stages of
I really don't remember anything about the desert level excpet that Brenda
was very upset about having the level cut from the game. (although, if
I remember correctly, it was cut relatively early in the dev-cycle)
The re-use of enemies, in this case is simple a factor of these being
early mockups. (You used what you had ready)
> There's a rumor that says there was going to be time
> travel in Sonic 2, like in Sonic CD. Is this true?
> Some people think the Metropolis Zone was going to be
> Wood Zone's bad future, for example.
> The magazines told that there was going to be a
> special version of Sonic 2 for the Sega CD/Mega CD. Do
> you remember something about that?
I do remember something about there being a time-travel story line. I
can remember trying to work out the details of what a forest would look
like when it was greeen and healthy, then what it would look like after
it had been ravaged by Robotnic. I can remember trying to come up with
a good way of doing burning trees.
> Some of us believe
> that the missing desert zone of Sonic 2 was ported to
> Sonic CD, as the stage 2 (which was finally removed
> from Sonic CD, too). Do you remember something
> about 'level porting' between Sonic 2 and Sonic CD?
I don't remember any 'porting'. There was actually very little comunication
between the Sonic Team and the guys doing Sonic CD. If there are any similarities
in the art its only because almost every video game ever made has a desert
level, a jungle level, a ice level, a lava level, etc. (we try hard, but
it's hard to get away from the basics of Mother Nature)
> *BETA ROM
> Some time ago, a Beta version of Sonic 2 was found in
> a Chinese page. It's very interesting to us, because
> it allows us to know more things about the development
> of this great game. The stage select cheat is enabled
> by default, and we know how to make the 'Debug' cheat,
> so we could access any stage in the ROM, and reach any
> point in the zones.
> Tails appears in the game, but he still can't fly to
> reach Sonic, and his behaviour is a little different.
> Sonic's graphics and walking animation look VERY
> different to either Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 final
> graphics... It looks a little wierd.
> You can see some images of the things I'm going to
> talk about in this page:
> Looking into the graphics in the ROM, we found some
> graphics of Sonic that never appeared in the game,
> like Sonic grabbing something (maybe pulling a lever)
> or Sonic looking tired. Can you explain us if those
> graphics had something to do with the Master Emerald
> or another special event in the game?
> Do you remember if Sonic was going to have another
> new ability that wasn't implemented in Sonic 2, but in
> a later Sonic game?
I don't have anything specific to say other than I know that Yamaguchi
reworked Sonic a couple of times before everyone was happy with him. Plus
I am sure that there are LOTS of moves and animations that never get used.
I know of many Spyro animations/idles that were tried and rejected or
we just didn't have room or time for.
> There's no Special Stage yet, and the palettes of the
> Sonic 1 Special Stage are still in the ROM. Does it
> mean that they originally wanted to put the
> same 'rotating maze' Special Stage of Sonic 1? If not,
> do you remember how the Sonic 2 Special Stage looked
> in the first stages of development?
> What was the original way of entering those Special
> Stages? Were those giant rings of Sonic 1 going to
> appear also in Sonic 2?
I don't know
> Inside the ROM, we've also found some enemies which
> graphics were deleted, and they have a different
> behaviour to those enemies of the final game. Do you
> remember any enemy that was made in the alpha version,
> but was deleted some time later? Maybe some of the
> final enemies also moved in a different way than in
> the final version.
> There are no 'title cards' in the beggining of the
> stages, yet, and the level order when starting a
> normal game is as follows: Aquatic Ruin (called Neo
> Green Hill), Chemical Plant, Hill Top and Emerald Hill
> (called Green Hill), where you fight the only boss in
> the game (if you defeat him you're returned to the
> SEGA logo).
> There are some levels that look very close to the
> final versions, but with a few changes. Emerald Hill,
> for example, has snails instead of monkeys, and some
> other stages are very close to the definitive ones,
> but no enemies appear and there are some things that
> were removed or changed in the final release.
> Do you remember if Metropolis Zone looked very
> different in earlier versions? It had some
> screws/drills in the background, right?
I think it was Metropolis Zone that Yamaguchi must have completely reworked
3 or 4 times. (forground and background) The first pass was very different
from the final version. (Unfortunately that's all I can remember after
almost 10 years)
> Mystic Cave has a lot of dangerous obstacles at the
> beggining of the first act, but when you manage to
> pass through them, the rest of the stage has no
> enemies or any other moving objects. Was that stage
> going to be so dangerous, or maybe that was some kind
> of test to see how those objects worked?
> Mystic Cave is called 'Dust Hill' in that beta
> version. Some people suggested that it could be the
> desert zone's original name. Could it be? If it
> wasn't, do you know when and why did they rename it,
> as well as the other stages?.
> Do you remember any other zone that was renamed since
> the game was designed?
The desert level could have been named Dust Hill. The only thing I can
really remember about it was that the 'hook' for that level was lots of
quicksand. Sonic would slowly sink if he wasn't fast enough or jumped
> One of the surprises the cartdrige had was that
> Casino Night was... pink and blue! The golden
> structures of the final version were gone, and it
> looked almost like if it wasn't the same stage. It's a
> shame it lacks some floors and the stage itself is too
> incomplete to be played. The most strange fact is that
> acts 1 and 2 have different backgrounds, and they load
> a different pallete for each one! Were those 2 acts
> going to be very different to each other? Do you
> remember any stage that was going to have 2 completely
> different acts?
> Did any other zone have some graphic or concept
> changes before the final release?
Like Metropolis, Casino Night was also Yamaguchi's and he basically lived
at the office reworking his levels.
> We know there was going to be a zone with torches in
> the background, because we found the graphics in the
> ROM. Do you know about any Sonic 2 stage that was
> originally going to have torches?
> Those torches seem to have some bricks behind them,
> which are similar to those of Aquatic Ruin or the ones
> of Mystic Cave. Can be these two stages related in any
> way? Maybe they were originally different parts of the
> same stage, and the Mystic cave wasn't green, and
> looked like a normal cave?
> There are the graphics of a rocky platform splashing
> into water.. or maybe sand. Any ideas of where could
> it be from? Maybe they fell from some waterfalls in
> any stage?
Sorry, can't be of help.
> *MISSING ZONES
> The most intriguing things in that beta cartdrige are
> those zones that were never released officially, or
> were deleted even before this beta was made.
> There's a playable zone called Wood Zone, that has
> the Metropolis music (why could it be?). It shows only
> some woods and conveyor belts, and then there's no
> more stage. Was it designed as a normal stage, or was
> it an old version of Metropolis Zone? Or maybe it was
> only part of a scene between two stages?
I kind of remember that level. I think what you are seeing is a test level.
If I remember right something in the game mechanics didn't work right
(read 'it wasn't fun) and it got scrapped before it got too far. I also
think this is the level done by Tom Paine that got cut.
> Death Egg appears in the stage select screen, and it
> has 2 acts! Unfortunately, the whole stage seems to be
> deleted or not implemented, so it makes Sonic fall and
> fall in a messed background until he dies. Did the
> Death Egg zone had originally two acts? Did it always
> have two bosses? It uses the same graphics as Chemical
> Plant, but with a different pallete. Maybe the
> original Death Egg had it's own graphics and had 2
> whole acts, but they were removed because of the
> memory limitations?
> The most mysterious zone of them all is one
> called 'Genocide City Zone'. There are a lot of
> theories about it, but nobody has actually seen that
> stage, and we don't know a thing about it. We're very
> interested to know the truth about this totally
> unknown stage! Please, tell us everything you know
> about it! What was it about? Was it a scary zone? A
> destroyed futuristic city? What were the enemies like?
> And the boss? Was it related in any way with Chemical
> Plant, Death Egg or any other stage like Oil Ocean?
I can remember there being one, but that's about it. Sorry.
> Please, tell us anything you can remember about these
> missing zones, as well as about all those zones we
> didn't ever heard about (there must be more deleted
> stages). We don't know anything about how were they
> supposed to be, or the enemies and bosses they had.
> In the beta version's Sound Test, there are some
> repeated musics. Do you know if they deleted all the
> musics for the 'lost levels'? Or were they just placed
> in other stages like the 2 Player zones?
Quite often the music and sound effects on beta versions are just place
holders for the real thing. If the real sound wasn't ready, then it's
what ever was handy and sort of fit the level.
> *OIL OCEAN
> Oil Ocean is known as one of the most original stages
> in the Sonic games. Where did the idea of an Oil Ocean
> come from?
I should remember more about Oil Ocean, since this is one of the levels
I worked on. All the forground art is mine, although the background is
Yamaguchi's (no one liked my background, including me)
I don't remember what the orginal art direction given me was. It was pretty
open though. Basically I think I was told that the level was going to
have slippery oil flowing through it and undter it, with lots of elevators
and timed jumps (like most Sonic levels).
I decided to go for a cross between the GoldenGate bridge and an oil refinery.
> Do you remember if the enemies or any other thing was
> changed in the stage since it's original design?
There are always changes, but I can't remember any specific ones.
> The balls & switches of Oil Ocean appear in the
> dumped beta. They were later removed from the stage,
> but we can still put them in the game when Debug mode
> is activated..! What was the reason of removing them?
> Their weirdness..?
> Did you know that bigger versions of those balls
> appeared in the beta versions of the Sonic 1's Green
> Hill Zone? They were removed in the final game, too.
> Have you seen the Sonic 1 beta?
I don't remember what the reason for the changes.
I do remember the first time I ever played Sonic.
I had been working at STI for just a few months when we got a beta version
in to play. I remember it was interesting, but nothing to get excited
about, (Sonic did not spill all his rings when you got hit). Then a short
time latter we got a newer version. This version had the ring spill and
NOW it was fun! Before everybody played a few minutes and got bored, but
after the rings worked, it was hard to find a time when someone wasn't
already playing it!
> In the beta, Oil Ocean has a different music than the
> final version. It uses the 2 player Casino Night music
> instead. Was it always going to be the music for that
> zone? If so... which stage was going to have the final
> Oil Ocean music?
Like I said, in a beta, you just use what you have. You just need a space
holder for sounds and art that isn't finished yet.
> *HIDDEN PALACE
> At last, thanks to the Genesis/MegaDrive emulators,
> we could play the great Hidden Palace zone, but it's
> incomplete, and there's no known way to finish it,
> even with the 'Debug mode' activated..
> Was the Hidden Palace connected in any way to the
> Death Egg, Mystic Cave, Hill Top or any other stage?
> Do you know which stages was it supposed to be
> between? Or was it only accesible when Sonic collected
> all the Chaos Emeralds, as a secret zone? Was it going
> to have 2 acts originally?
Once again, I am afraid that I can't remember what opened up the secret.
It was early in the game though, not at the end like a traditional 'bonus
level'. If I remember correctly the original design called for two acts,
but that was quickly cut down to one when someone took a look at the schedual
(then it was cut to zero acts!)
> In that beta version, the Hidden Palace has the music
> of the 2 player Mystic Cave, instead of that one of
> the final version (#10 music in the final Sound Test).
> Was it supposed to be the original Hidden Palace music
> or they were only testing the music engine, by
> changing the order of the musics? Maybe the final
> Hidden Palace music was initially assigned to other
It's a beta. I don't know what music was orginally written for Hidden
> They had to remove it just before the final release,
> and in the final game there's even an icon for Hidden
> Palace in the level select screen, and the music is
> still in the sound test. But when we try to play in
> that stage (by altering the memory values), the stage
> graphics are not loaded, and we can only see the rings
> and the monitors between an ammount of garbled
> graphics. You said it was removed because of memory
> limitations (they must have deleted the graphics, the
> level patterns and the code for the enemies and
> specific objects of the stage).. This means that in
> the previous beta version there was a stage missing,
> so Hidden Palace could be in the cartdrige, which had
> the same memory size. Which was the last stage being
> added? Maybe it would have been better if they just
> didn't add that last stage, or if they deleted Hill
> Top Zone (the graphics were too similar to Emerald
Sounds like a better plan to me. Personally I never liked HillTop because
it was just a very simple rework of Emerald Zone, but I wasn't calling
the shots back then.
Betas don't run on the same limitations as the real cart, so it is very
possible to get things on a beta that won't make it once all the real
restrictions are in place on the final version.
There is also the fact that Hidden Palace also needed some more design
work to be finished (and fun)
> The only improvement we really know that was made
> between this beta version and the final release was
> that Sonic would spin automatically when he entered
> the tube. Do you remember any other improvements that
> were never 'officially' released? Perhaps some changes
> in the background?
Things changed up to the last day. Too long ago to remember.
> Did you design the whole level, as well as the
> In our beta version there are no triceratopbots, like
> those we've seen in the early screenshot. Do you know
> the reason of removing them? Their graphics were
> deleted, but the code is still in the beta ROM, so we
> have seen their behaviour was a little buggy when
> colliding with some walls. Maybe that was the reason?
> As the enemies in this beta's Hidden Palace, there
> are only the dinobots and the batbots. Maybe all these
> never released enemies had their own names. Do you
> remember any?
Many of the enemies you are talking about were done my Tom Paine. I don't
know why they were cut. Possibly because his style wasn't close enough
to the Japanese artists.
> Almost every area in Hidden Palace has strange
> elements with an unknown meaning to us. I hope you can
> explain us this mysterious things.
> Passed the cool green tube at the beginning, there's
> a strange place with a green ground and two
> waterfalls. Below that ground, there seems a small
> place where Sonic can walk. Was there supposed to be
> any way to break that ground or to reach that place
> down there? What was it for?
> Then, we find a '1-Up' monitor which shows Tails'
> face! Why is it there instead of Sonic's face? Was
> Tails the only one who could reach the Hidden Palace,
> or was that a bug in the zone, caused by the changes
> in the code when Tails was added?
> Was that monitor really intended to be a 1-Up
> monitor? It can be accesed so easily..
> There's a very high place that Sonic can't reach
> (above the place of the screenshot we saw with two
> triceratopbots), and it seems to be a 'boss arena'.
> How could the player reach that place? Maybe Tails
> could fly to get there? Maybe SuperSonic was able to
> Or it was Knuckles? Were you told about the future
> project of Lock-On technology, called 'Sonic &
> Knuckles'? That place I mentioned can be reached by
> climbing with Knuckles, as we could see by hacking the
Once again, the last time I saw or played this level was over 9 years
ago. I do know that there was no plans for Knuckles at this point since
he wasn't even a glint in Yasahara's eye yet.
> At the middle of the stage, there's a place where a
> bridge seems to be missing and when you fall through
> the hole and go to the right, you find the Master
> Emerald, blocking a tube.
> Was Robotnik supposed to make an appeareance there?
> What did he do?
> What was the Master Emerald for? Was there any way to
> break it? Where did the tube lead to? Or maybe the
> purpose of the tube was very different?
> Had the Master Emerald something to do with the other
> Chaos Emeralds and with transforming Sonic into
> Was the idea of the Master Emerald yours? Was it
> going to be in the Hidden Palace since the zone was
Im sorry to burst the Master Emerald bubble, but it was just a plug to
stop up the tube. Sonic broke it the same way he broke anything open in
the game. (That is unless my mind really has slipped away in the last
9 years, which if that's the case, and it could be, then the Master Emerald
could in fact have held the meaning of the universe and I 've just forgotten)
If the spot you are talking about where there seems to be a bridge missing
is where I think it is, then there is a bridge missing there. There were
these cool little green orbs that bobbed up and down and glowed bright
as Sonic ran over them.
> Then, there's a very big green slope, with some rings
> in horizontal rows of 3. There's no known way to climb
> it, and there's no elevator or transporter there. How
> was it possible to climb that ramp? With some kind of
> help of the Master Emerald?
Sorry to say that I can't remember how you were supposed to get those
> Anyway, when we climbed it with help of the 'Debug
> mode', we could see that we reached the top of the
> screen and the scroll didn't move automatically to the
> bottom of the map as it should do, so the character
> disappeared. The water didn't disappear, as well. Was
> that bug corrected in the stage that was going to be
> released in the final version, or maybe there was no
> time enough to fix that bug in the game engine?
Very strange thing happen when you cheat around a level in debug mode
so there may or most likely may not have been a bug there. When you cheat
around in debug mode it's very easy to skip over various 'swithes' that
load art, code, music etc, so when you get to where you are going things
don't run right.
> Once the ramp is climbed, there's some kind of slide
> with water, but it doesn't make the characters slide,
> maybe because it's still in early development stages.
> Was that supposed to be the end of the level? Was this
> part of the level ever finished?
> Beyond that slide, there's a small piece of ground.
> Maybe this one was the place where Robotnik appeared?
> Or there was just an 'end of level' panel or an Egg-
> trap with animals inside?
Been too long.
> *SONIC SPINBALL
> Peter Morawiec told us that the game was made in a
> very short period of time. Can you tell us exactly
> what did you make in the game?
I created the art for the first level in the game. There was orginally
supposed to be a water level, then a toxic waste level, but we ended up
merging the two into one.
Peter drew all the maps.
> Was the Sonic Team involved in any way in this game?
> Did the original Toxic Caves have any difference with
> the final ones?
The originall version had toxic waste at the very bottom, but it was changed
to water. (see above)
> Were the Toxic Caves based in the Hidden Palace?
Yes it was. I was very happy with the basic 'wallpaper' pattern and colors
I had worked out for Hidden Palace so I used them as a basis for the Spinball
> Do you know anything about the reason of removing
> some scenes between stages, and changing the original
> Bonus Table? (it originally had some Robotnik
> animations in the background)
I don't remember for sure why the scenes between the stages were removed,
possible for memory limits or time limits on the artists creating them.
The Robotnic animations were removed because of memory limitations.
> Did you have to make any changes in the stages for
> the Japanese version?
I don't remember making any serious changes.
> *BETA ROM
> A beta version of Sonic Spinball was found recently,
> too, but it's almost like the final version. The main
> differences are the existance of some bugs in the
> game, some different musics, the animals inside the
> enemies (there are birds, bees and butterflies), the
> only Bonus Table available (it's gray instead of
> green, and has scrambled counters in the background)
> and the fact that the final boss is unbeatable.
> The most strange thing about that ROM is that it's
> size is different than any other cartdrige size, and
> in the end of the file, there's a piece of a Sub-
> Terrania early version. Do you know what could be the
> reason for that?
> Did you help in some way in the making of SubTerrania?
The Sub Terrania level you are describing sounds like the early water
level that was the orginal first level. The art for that level was done
by Brenda Ross (who, once again, was not happy at all to have her art
cut from a game!)
I don't remember way the first two levels were cut. Peter would probably
know the answer to that one.
One bit of trivia for Spinball. It was the last day. We were all sitting
around eating at the 'wrap party' when the Japanese came in from working
on Sonic 3. Yasahara, while watching the opening sequence of Spinball,
made an off-hand remark asking how we talked Sega into paying for the
rights to the orginal Sonic Theme. We all looked at him very strangely
since we didn't have a clue what he was talking about. It turns out that
the group that did the orginal Sonic theme still owned the rights to the
In the intrerm between Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 this band had become quite
famous in Japan. When Sega approached them to use the music again in Sonic
2, they asked for a lot of money.
Well, no one had told us about this and we had used the orginal music.
Howard, our music guy, quickly ran to his little room and started writting
a new piece of music. At about midnight that night we released a NEW gold
master version of the game, this time with our own original theme song.
(which was released in limited quantity on CD)
I hope I have been of some help.